A yDNA Y700 test is underway and being processed for a male member of the Nathaniel Greene Golden (born c1783) line. This will be the third Y700 test.
A late 2022 Y700 test was completed for a Samuel Golden (c1770 SC – 1859 TN) male descendant. FamilyTreeDNA Kit #466458. We already know that Samuel’s male line is a yDNA match with the male line of Nathaniel Greene Golden (c1783 SC – aft. 1822 SC). FamilyTreeDNA Kit #289065.
Y700 test results for Samuel Golden‘s descendant matched 15 of 19 unnamed SNP variants with the Nathaniel Greene Golden testtaker. For whatever reason, that did not influence or cause the naming of any of the 19 private variant SNPs.
Test #3 is a son of Y700 Test #1. This should be sufficient to name all of the private variants for the Nathaniel Greene Golden line, and many of the unnamed SNPs for the Samuel Golden line. We expect test results by late March 2023.
What this newest Y700 test will do is fill in the genetic SNPs of the grandfathers that lived between approximately the middle of the Age of Vikings, 793-1066 CE,Per Wikipedia: The Viking Age (793–1066 CE) was the period during the Middle Ages when Norsemen known as Vikings undertook large-scale raiding, colonizing, conquest, and trading throughout Europe … Continue reading through the years of 1770-1780 when our Goldens were in the midst of birthing their first generation of South Carolina-born children.
Our SNP timeline Per Rob Spencer and his SNP Tracker web research page: “A SNP is a mutation that occurs at a certain time and place. At some point afterwards, a person with that SNP will have two or more … Continue reading should be complete enough that we may be able to crossreference time and place of our travels to within 75 year windows of the past.
We will never know their names. We will know them however by very specific genetic SNP marker names that make them present in almost specific time and place. Since a SNP is also a genetic mutation that is inherited, we may be able to learn something about their lives that caused the mutation.
Genetic archeology also is currently very active in testing DNA from older settlements and burials. Genetic archaeology zooms in on the origins of modern humans. DNA can be used to understand the evolution of modern humans, trace migrations of people, identify individuals, and determine the origins … Continue reading For our Goldens, gaps in time and place since circa 1066 CE will persist BUT should become clarified and more directly linked to specific tmies and place as others take advanced SNP yDNA testing. Testing has already connected us to R-BY103979 families from the Viking Age, living today in Germany and Sweden.
It would be appreciated and helpful if a male Golden lines other than Nathaniel and Samuel were to take the Patriarch or Y700 test at https://www.familytreedna.com.
Our Golden male line is yDNA type: R1b R-M269 R-U106 R-Z405 R-DF98 R-S18823 R-FGC20605 R-FGC20581 R-BY103979 as of April 2022.
We have two matches with Grandfather R-BY103979. One lives outside of Gothenberg, Sweden. There is no known genealogy for this match. I do have contact info for this match. No response has been received to enquiries about their genealogy.
The second R-BY103979 match lives in Nebraska, USA, and descends from Johann Hinrich Meyer, b1780 d1820 at Oldenburg, Germany. FamilyTreeDNA Kit #B835407. A Y700 test underway as of April 2022 may reveal additional info. I have contact info and am in regular contact with this match. Meyer family members migrated to Hooper, Nebraska in the 1860s.
FamilyTreeDNA’s BIG Y700 test can now identify grandfathers by their SNPs with a time gap of approximately 75 years to within the last several hundred years. Info about benefits of what can be learned from the Y700 test: https://www.familytreemagazine.com/dna/big-y-700/
Golden male yDNA is R-U106 R-Z405 R-DF98 R-S18823 R-FGC20605 R-FGC20581 R-BY103979.
This line spread from the Benelux/Frisia area to what is now the United Kingdom and to Norway and Sweden, as well as much of northern Germany and Poland.
I use the term ‘Germanic’ because Denmark and the Benelux do not consider themselves ‘German’, yet they share yDNA that has origin in what is modern Germany.
Grandfathers and origin according to SNP:
- R-Z405 … born about 4400 years ago in the modern Benelux (Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg) and Frisia area (northwest Germanic)
- R-DF98 … born about 4100 years ago, lived in the same region
- R-S18823 … born shortly after R-DF98, probably within 1-3 generations
- R-FGC20605 … born about 2700 years ago
- R-FGC20581 … born about 2500 years ago
- R-BY103979 … born by 1400 years ago – Anglo-Saxon settlement of England, with living yDNA matches iving today in Germany and Sweden.
Our male line yDNA has existed over the last 4000+ years in the Benelux region. We know that DF98 spread northward into Scandinavia, eastward into northern Germany, and westward into the English Isles.
Using SNP analysis, we can determine branches and timelines of descent. For example, we know that we are distant kin to ‘Niall of the Nine Hostages‘ northwestern male Irish lines but not descended from them (R-M222, aka the Irish Modal Haplotype). History tells us that the reason for so many northwestern Irish males being related is due to the Niall kingdom of the 4th or 5th centuries — this provides a time reference. SNPs are cumulative across time. Niall Irish/R-M222 have our SNPs (DF98 et al) but we do not have the unique aspects that make Niall descendants easily recognizable.
R-M222 and evolution of DNA understanding as more data collected: Before 2019 there were numerous analyses that attributed R-M222 to being descendants of the Niall family itself. It is now believed that a much older grandfather in this area of Ireland is responsible for so many carrying SNP R-M222. Howard, W.E. and McLaughlin, J.D., 2011. “A dated phylogenetic tree of M222 SNP haplotypes: exploring the DNA of Irish and Scottish surnames and possible ties to Niall and the Uí Néill … Continue reading
For now (2022), our most recent shared yDNA SNP is R-BY103979. Our grandfather R-BY103979 was probably born after 600 AD/CE and before 1100. Further Y700 testing by other kindred male lines will eventually identify a better timeline.
©2023 William Golden, Norfolk1956@gmail.com // Material may be shared without requesting permission and with appropriate attribution: A Probable History of the Golden Family of Newberry, South Carolina Since 1761, by William Golden
|↑1||FamilyTreeDNA Kit #466458.|
|↑2||FamilyTreeDNA Kit #289065.|
|↑3||Per Wikipedia: The Viking Age (793–1066 CE) was the period during the Middle Ages when Norsemen known as Vikings undertook large-scale raiding, colonizing, conquest, and trading throughout Europe and reached North America. It followed the Migration Period and the Germanic Iron Age. The Viking Age applies not only to their homeland of Scandinavia but also to any place significantly settled by Scandinavians during the period.
Scandinavians of the Viking Age are often referred to as Vikings as well as Norsemen. Few were actual Vikings in the sense of being engaged in piracy. Voyaging by sea from their homelands in Denmark, Norway, and Sweden, the Norse people settled in the British Isles, Ireland, the Faroe Islands, Iceland, Greenland, Normandy, and the Baltic coast and along the Dnieper and Volga trade routes in eastern Europe, where they were also known as Varangians. Source / Wikipedia as of 2022.12.25: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_Age
|↑4||Per Rob Spencer and his SNP Tracker web research page: “A SNP is a mutation that occurs at a certain time and place. At some point afterwards, a person with that SNP will have two or more children each with modern descendants who have done DNA testing. From those DNA tests we can infer the time to that branch-point; this is the SNP’s tMRCA. In a rapidly expanding population with many surviving lineages, tMRCA and formation are very close and may be identical. But for older and leaner lineages, a SNP may appear long before one of the originator’s descendants has two surviving lineages, and additional separate mutations may occur in that time.” … as of 2022.12.25: http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html|
|↑5||Genetic archaeology zooms in on the origins of modern humans. DNA can be used to understand the evolution of modern humans, trace migrations of people, identify individuals, and determine the origins of domestic plants and animals. DNA analysis, as one scholar put it, is “the greatest archaeological excavation of all time.”|
|↑6||I do have contact info for this match. No response has been received to enquiries about their genealogy.|
|↑7||FamilyTreeDNA Kit #B835407. A Y700 test underway as of April 2022 may reveal additional info. I have contact info and am in regular contact with this match.|
|↑8||Info about benefits of what can be learned from the Y700 test: https://www.familytreemagazine.com/dna/big-y-700/|
|↑9||Howard, W.E. and McLaughlin, J.D., 2011. “A dated phylogenetic tree of M222 SNP haplotypes: exploring the DNA of Irish and Scottish surnames and possible ties to Niall and the Uí Néill kindred”, Familia: Ulster Genealogical Review, 27, 34.|