Our Grandfather YDNA Timeline

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We will never know their names or many details about their lives. Each of the major SNP designations below represent an actual grandfather that lived and had a significant DNA change that has passed through the generations to us.

The time frame given in bold for R1b and subclades is from research at the University of Manchester, England.

Time frames for when each grandfather existed will change with time as more people take YDNA tests and as more research is done into DNA — we are still just at the early age of understanding what all DNA can tell us about the past.

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Grandmothers have their own unique hereditary DNA (mtDNA) passed from mother to daughter ad infinitum. A daughter inherits mtDNA from all her direct maternal grandmothers that have existed before.

A son receives his mother’s mtDNA but does not inherit his grandmother’s, nor does he pass his mother’s mtDNA to his children.

It is possible for a woman to track her grandmothers through time, just as I have tracked our grandfathers.

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There were real grandfathers behind designators like R, R1ba2 and FGC20588. That specific grandfather experienced a genetic mutation in their life prior to having children, and then that genetic mutation was passed to their sons, and they to their sons, ad infinitum. Please think of these designators as the name of your ancient grandfather. They are.

SNP / Grandfather Time Frame

R

24,000 BC

Haplogroup R* originated in North Asia just before the Last Glacial Maximum (26,500-19,000 years ago). This haplogroup has been identified in the remains of a 24,000 year-old boy from the Altai region, in south-central Siberia (Raghavan et al. 2013 … Eupedia)

R1

R1b

R-P25 (M343)

R1b (R-M343) is the most frequently occurring Y-chromosome haplogroup in Western Europe. (ISOGG)

R-M269 (R1ba2)

R1b1a2 (R-M269) is the dominant branch of R1b in Western Europe. (ISOGG)

R1b-U106 (R-M405)

3012 BC (3689 BC — 2456 BC)

R1b-U106 is found from Eastern Europe to its highest frequency in Central Europe and the British Isles.

 Z381

2953 BC (3578 BC — 2422 BC)

Developed during Bronze Age in Central Europe. (Eupedia)

 Z156

2856 BC (3462 BC — 2317 BC)

 Z306

2633 BC (3254 BC — 2078 BC)

 Z304

2607 BC (3204 BC — 2074 BC)

 DF98

2484 BC (3087 BC — 1925 BC)DF98 is sometimes referred to as ‘The Kings Cluster‘ because many royal houses of Europe would come from this line.

 S18823

A Super Y or SNP test is required to identify at this level.

2136 BC (2804 BC — 1503 BC)

There is another estimate that S18823 is a bit more recent: about 1450 BC (1850-1000 BC). Prevalent among families with Norwegian roots: Forman (140211, 262642), Drabold (248240) and Larsson (320712).

FGC20588

A Super Y or SNP test is required to identify at this level.

1945 BC (2641 BC — 1260 BC)

There are just 7 positive tests for GFC20588 so far (2017).

B113283, 136046, 246306, 217024, 140211, and 611941 plus:

289065 Nathaniel Green Golden b. c1783 and d. aft 1822, Ninety Six District, South Carolina.

More details within the FamilyTreeDNA R U106 (R1b-U106) Group. My notes.

FGC20605

A Super Y or SNP test is required to identify at this level.

FGC20581

A Super Y or SNP test is required to identify at this level.

1298 BC (2134 BC — 471 BC)

There are just 3 positive tests for FGC20581 so far (2017).

140211 and 611941 plus:

289065 Nathaniel Green Golden b. c1783 and d. aft 1822, Ninety Six District, South Carolina.

More details within the FamilyTreeDNA R U106 (R1b-U106) Group. My notes.

 


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