Eleanor Golden Warren, c1745-1811, Clouds Creek, Saluda, South Carolina
Revised Version … this 1 Jan 2024 revisement offers significant changes and clarifications to the 2 Feb 2018 version crossposted to Ancestry.com … 2018 version taken down but exists within archive.
South Carolina – Newberry/Saluda/Edgefield – c1745-1811
Two important changes in this 2023 version re Eleanor Golden Warren‘s life, she going by the nickname of ‘Nelly’ and listed as Nelly Warren in some documents.
- Confirmation that there were two Eleanor Goldens. Both knew each other [1]1802: There appear to have been two sons named ‘Charles’: Charles Warren and John Charles Warren, who went by Charles. Charles Warren wrote his last will and testament (LWT) prior to 28 … Continue reading and both went by the nickname of ‘Nelly’. Their relationship was probably that of sister-in-law to one another.
- Eleanor Golden Warren could not have died in 1809 as some genealogies claim. She was alive and living under her own name in the 1810 census as ‘Nelly Warren‘, living alongside a son and near to others in the community that had ties with the Golden family, the family of her probable brother William Golden (c1750-1808); he could also have been a close cousin but no evidence of other Goldens before 1770 in this area of South Carolina.
~~~ We know that Thomas Golden had two children in 1761 when granted land at Newberry; Eleanor Golden Warren is of the right age to have been one of those two children. [2]1810 Census taken on 6 Aug 1810. Nelly Warren was living at Edgefield (District), locale not listed. She was living next to Charles Warren, this being her probable son John Charles Warren … Continue reading
The Nelly Warren (Eleanor Golden Warren) in both the 1800 and 1810 census reports are the same person when you compare neighbors. She lives by (John) Charles Warren in both 1800 [3]In the 1800 Census there are two families that live between Eleanor and John Warren: James Hunter and John (Gosling); whereas in 1810 she is listed next to (John) Charles Warren and 1810.
Source of most facts about Eleanor ‘Nelly’ Golden Warren
Several Ancestry.com family genealogies for William Warren reference a FindaGrave memorial page as the source for almost all known facts about Eleanor Warren [4]William Warren‘s FindaGrave memorial page contains a number of important but unsourced facts about Eleanor Golden Warren, her husband William Warren and her family. See FindaGrave memorial page … Continue reading.
Factual claims about Eleanor Golden Warren:
- Claim (FindaGrave): She passed away in 25 Oct 1809 while living on Clouds Creek. No known source for this. Some Ancestry genealogies claim it was 25 Oct 1811, which is plausible considering that she was alive in the 1810 census. [5]Eleanor Warren is living on her own with two children in her home in the 1800 Census for Edgefield District, South Carolina, no locale given. In her household is a male under age 10 and a male … Continue reading As for 25 Oct 1811 being correct: plausible but source for this is unknown. Nelly Warren, being close to her son Charles Warren, may have appeared in a family bible passed down through that line.
- Claim (FindaGrave): She married William Warren about 1762 in Amherst, Virginia. There were Warrens in the Amherst area but can find no record of this marriage, or a marriage between them in any Virginia record for any location. There were no known Goldens, Golding or Gouldens living in the Amherst County or adjacent county areas before 1800. There was one Goldey family.
~~~ Not per FindaGrave, but numerous genealogies claim the father of William Warren was James “Clouds Creek Preacher” Warren (c1713 VA – 1776 SC). James Warren received his land grant on 12 Apr 1770 for 200 acres at Clouds Creek, Colleton, SC, so chances are the Warrens were new arrivals and were living in Virginia in 1762. [6]Land grant of 200 acres to James Warren on 12 Apr 1770 per a land grant plat available from the South Carolina Archives Online. Search for Warren, James, Plat For 200 Acres In Colleton County. Date: … Continue reading
~~~ Did James “Clouds Creek Preacher” Warren come from Amherst, Virginia? Maybe, maybe not. There was a James Warren listed as resident in Amherst in 1783, some 13 years after relocating to South Carolina. Age unknown. … It is generally believed that there was a son named James Warren from the Amherst area, but no known documentation for that; the years of born, lived and died are significantly different across the genealogies making difficult to determine who was son of whom. There would appear to be multiple James Warrens in the west-of-Richmond Amherst County area. All that said, a 1762 marriage in Virginia is possible just not documented[7]1783 Virginia, U.S., Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index. and there were no known Goldens or similar surname living in the area.
~~~ To further confuse the matter, there were two James Warrens that received 1770 land grants in Colleton County, the term used instead of Edgefield or Ninety Six District. [8]Land grant plats for both James Warrens that received land can be found in the South Carolina Archives online.
- Claim (Kirkhofer): Eleanor Golden and William Warren married in the Edgefield (District) area. [9]Norma Kirchhofer: 6 GENERATIONS of WARREN, 21 Apr 2004, online at https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/warren/9155/ This is more likely if Eleanor is the daughter of Thomas Golden who settled at Newberry c1760/61. Thomas had two children at the time of his 1762 land grant; one is presumed to be William Golden (born c1750) and the second would be Eleanor Golden who married William Warren. The names of Thomas’ children remain unidentified in any document, however Thomas and presumed son William did live adjacent to one another in the Beaverdam Creek area of what is today Helena, Newberry, SC. We also know that Eleanor ‘Nelly’ Golden Warren associated with Eleanor Ellender ‘Nelly’ Golden, wife of William Golden, as evidenced by both appearing in 1802 legal records for the last will and testament of Charles Warren (d. Oct 1802) and subsequent proving of Charles’ will.
- Claim (FindaGrave): She and William Warren divorced about 1798 and he then supposedly remarried to a Helena LNU by 1800. Can find no legal record for any divorce, but certainly Eleanor Golden Warren had established her own household by 1800 and appears in the 1800 census under her own name. [10]William Warren’s second wife’s name was Martha LNU per a 2004 genealogy written by Norma Kirchhofer: 6 GENERATIONS of WARREN, dated 21 Apr 2004; … Continue reading
Questions and Missing Source Material
~~~ Missing source references does not mean something did not happen. Perhaps there is a family bible. Perhaps there are Warren family genealogy notes that were inherited. If so, we Goldens would like to know because any documentation about Eleanor Golden Warren offers details for our own origin story. Our Goldens are documented as resident in Newberry by 1761, but were probably living there by 1760 as we sold food to support the militia. Farms require clearing and cultivating the land — this could have happened to some degree in spring of 1761; more likely they ‘settled by 1760’ is a better date of settlement as there was enough surplus to sell to locals.
~~~ One of the puzzling aspects of the Warren family lore of married in Virginia in 1762: I can find no presence of Golden or Goldings in the Albemarle, Amherst or Louisa county areas before 1800. There were Goldens in the Albemarle region by 1830. An alternative story or perspective, is that the Warrens came from Charles City, Virginia area (c1713) and Albemarle County could be mistaken for Albemarle Parish, created in Surry County, Virginia in 1738 from those parts of Lawne’s Creek and Southwark parishes that lay southwest of Blackwater River.
Since the various online genealogies are inconsistent and contradictory then having some source reference is essential to making sense of there being two Eleanor Nelly Goldens living in the same locale, knowing each other and both being related to William Golden (one is a wife and the other a probable sister).
There are some other claims made in online genealogies which need clarification and documentation of some sort:
- Claim: Eleanor Golden Warren‘s alleged father Anthony R. Golden, c1710-1760, born and passed away in the Greenville, South Carolina area. There is no evidence of his existence. Furthermore, this area of South Carolina was exclusive to habitation by the Cherokee with no nearby white settlement before 1770. The first acknowledged settler in the modern Greenville area was a Virginia trader named Richard Pearis. This area of South Carolina would not be settled until after the American Revolution, 1783, with land distribution beginning in 1786. [11]A concise but informative history of the Greenville area is available from the Greenville, SC government at <a … Continue reading … NOTE: There was a prominent Anthony Foster Golden (1746-1801), nee Golding, that lived upon occasion in the Spartanburg area although his home and plantation was outside of Laurens. These Goldings arrived about 1770 from Orange, Virginia, receiving a variety of land grants in 1771, 1772 and 1773.[12]Land Plats available online. Survey for land grant: 1/15/1773; Series: Colonial Plat Books (Copy Series) (S213184); Document Type: Plat Archives ID: Series: S213184 Volume: 0016 Page: 00130 Item: 01 … Continue reading
Golden Family of Beaverdam Creek, Newberry
Eleanor Ellender Golden (maiden name unknown, died after 1811; no record of when or where) [13]1832 Land Lottery of Georgia: Elender Golden, w.r.s. (widow of revolutionary soldier), living in 417th Militia District of Walton (County)* won Lottery selection #195 for 160 acres in the 27th … Continue reading, wife of William Golden, lived not far from Clouds Creek. Our Goldens lived on Beaverdam Creek in the area of what is today Helena, Newberry. This area is in modern day Newberry County (Edgefield before 1895) near to the Saluda River and on the west side of Newberry.
Eleanor Golden Warren of Clouds Creek
BIRTH Claim from genealogies: 1745, Edgefield, Edgefield County, SC [14]Eleanor Golden Warren may have been born in South Carolina, but it would not have been in the Edgefield County or District area. This area did not open for settlement until after 1763, with actual … Continue reading
DEATH Claim 25 OCT 1811, Clouds Creek, Edgefield County (Saluda County since 1895), SC. As discussed above, the 1811 date is a strong possibility, although no source for that information.
Depending upon the genealogy, claimed children of William Warren and Eleanor Golden:[15]Children’s names and marriages as per various online genealogies and a 2004 genealogy written by Norma Kirchhofer: 6 GENERATIONS of WARREN, dated 21 Apr 2004; … Continue reading
- Benjamin John Warren 1768–1853, married to Rachael Culbertson, 1778–1861.
- Charles Warren, bef 1781-1802. No known spouse. Left a proven last will and testament in 1802 naming Eleanor Warren as his mother and witnessed by Eleanor Golden, probable mother’s sister-in-law.
- Eleanor Warren 1769–1855, married to Jonathan Gregory Kirkland, 1778–1837.
- John Warren, 1775-1837/1840 … left a last will and testament. Married to Jane Padget, 1768–1837
- Elizabeth Warren 1780–1841, married to Nathan Boddie, 1774–1841
- Joseph Warren 1785–1837. No known spouse.
- Two males: 1800 census indicates that there were two young males in household of Nelly Warren. Age of birth was approximately after 1784 and after 1789. In 1800: a male under age 10 and a male between age 11-15. The male age 10-15 could be Joseph Warren 1785–1837, but no idea as to the identity of a son age under 10 or close to that.
Warren Family Virginia Roots, circa 1720
Some family histories list the parents of William Warren (c1738-1807) as:
James Warren, 1720–1798 Edgefield County, SC
Elizabeth Lewis or Patton, c1721–aft 1790 Edgefield County, SC
Another set of proposed parents:
Rev. James “Clouds Creek Preacher” Warren II (1712–1776)
Sarah Christian (1716–1793)
Both families are possibilities. Neither claim offers documentation, nor have I seen any documentation such as a last will and testament naming names and relationships.
The Lewis name is of great interest to myself as my family are indeed related to the Lewises. These Lewises and Warrens came from the Caroline County, Virginia area (Spotsylvania, Amherst, Albemarle). The Patton name is also of interest and a relation — with General George Patton being a descendant.
Per a William Warren family history, Clouds Creek was full of Warren family members [16]2004 genealogy written by Norma Kirchhofer: 6 GENERATIONS of WARREN, dated 21 Apr 2004; https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/warren/9155/.
— At least one Warren married a Dillard! Always a good sign that someone is related to us as us Goldens have had living Dillard kin over the last 300 years … William’s brother Benjamin Warren 1759-1813 married Sarah Sally Dillard 1767-1809.
Eleanor Warren and Eleanor Golden coexisted
Child of Thomas Golden (Goulden)? DNA …
Is Eleanor Golden Warren a child of Thomas Golden (Goulden)?
Documented: Thomas Golden settled in Newberry by 1760 on Bush Creek/River at the latest … just down the way from Clouds Creek. He is believed to be the father of William Golden (b c1750, believed to be husband to Nellie) and a Thomas Golden Jr. (175x-aft 1790, settling on property adjacent to William and Nellie).
+++ A Nellie Golden appears in the 1810 census for Edgefield, South Carolina. Although not named in the census, several of the Golden sons that later claim her as their mother: their direct male-line descendants took yDNA tests. yDNA indicates that these males are Goldens related to William and Thomas Golden, their probable father and grandfather.
Thomas Golden‘s geographic origins are believed to be the same as the Warren family and many other families associated with William Golden‘s per DNA: from the Caroline County, Virginia area and adjacent counties.
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References
| ↑1 | 1802: There appear to have been two sons named ‘Charles’: Charles Warren and John Charles Warren, who went by Charles. Charles Warren wrote his last will and testament (LWT) prior to 28 September 1802, after which he soon passed away. Charles’ LWT was witnessed by Elenor Golden, (wife of William Golden), William DeLoach, and (John) Charles Warren. Charle’s LWT recorded in Edgefield County Book #22, pg 252-253. He would soon pass away as his LWT was proven (received for administration) 21 Oct 1802 by Elenor Golden and and Russell Wilson. Charles makes his mother Elenor Warren his primary beneficiary and names her as Elenor Warren. |
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| ↑2 | 1810 Census taken on 6 Aug 1810. Nelly Warren was living at Edgefield (District), locale not listed. She was living next to Charles Warren, this being her probable son John Charles Warren (1775–1837). |
| ↑3 | In the 1800 Census there are two families that live between Eleanor and John Warren: James Hunter and John (Gosling); whereas in 1810 she is listed next to (John) Charles Warren |
| ↑4 | William Warren‘s FindaGrave memorial page contains a number of important but unsourced facts about Eleanor Golden Warren, her husband William Warren and her family. See FindaGrave memorial page at <a href=”https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/210682252/william-warren” target=”_blank”>https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/210682252/william-warren</a> |
| ↑5 | Eleanor Warren is living on her own with two children in her home in the 1800 Census for Edgefield District, South Carolina, no locale given. In her household is a male under age 10 and a male between age 11-15. The male age 10-15 could be Joseph Warren 1785–1837, but no idea as to the identity of a son age under 10 or close to that — however, this young male appears again in the 1810 Census as being aged 11-15 so would have been born c1790-1799, appropriate to be the younger male in the 1800 Census. |
| ↑6 | Land grant of 200 acres to James Warren on 12 Apr 1770 per a land grant plat available from the South Carolina Archives Online. Search for Warren, James, Plat For 200 Acres In Colleton County. Date: 4/12/1770; Clouds Creek; Colleton County; Series: Colonial Plat Books Archives ID: Series: S213184 Volume: 0021 Page: 00331 Item: 02 |
| ↑7 | 1783 Virginia, U.S., Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index. |
| ↑8 | Land grant plats for both James Warrens that received land can be found in the South Carolina Archives online. |
| ↑9 | Norma Kirchhofer: 6 GENERATIONS of WARREN, 21 Apr 2004, online at https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/warren/9155/ |
| ↑10 | William Warren’s second wife’s name was Martha LNU per a 2004 genealogy written by Norma Kirchhofer: 6 GENERATIONS of WARREN, dated 21 Apr 2004; https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/warren/9155/. |
| ↑11 | A concise but informative history of the Greenville area is available from the Greenville, SC government at <a href=”https://greenvillesc.gov/DocumentCenter/View/1317/History-of-Greenville-PDF” target=”_blank”> https://greenvillesc.gov/DocumentCenter/View/1317/History-of-Greenville-PDF</a> |
| ↑12 | Land Plats available online. Survey for land grant: 1/15/1773; Series: Colonial Plat Books (Copy Series) (S213184); Document Type: Plat Archives ID: Series: S213184 Volume: 0016 Page: 00130 Item: 01 See and search https://www.archivesindex.sc.gov/ for ‘Golding, William‘ … ‘Golding, Anthony‘ … ‘Golding, R‘ and ‘Golding, Richard‘ . |
| ↑13 | 1832 Land Lottery of Georgia: Elender Golden, w.r.s. (widow of revolutionary soldier), living in 417th Militia District of Walton (County)* won Lottery selection #195 for 160 acres in the 27th District, Third Section of what became Walker County, Georgia. A map of land plots is available. Land was not available for actual occupancy until 1835 when all Cherokee were ‘peacefully’ removed from the land … The asterisk indicates land granted ‘previous to the first day of January 1838’ … Source: page 315 of ‘The CHEROKEE LAND LOTTERY‘ containing a Numerical List Of The Names Of The Fortunate Drawers In Said Lottery with An Engraved Map Of Each District, by James F. Smith, published 1838 at New York by Harper & Brothers; available online at https://archive.org/details/cherokeelandlott00smit/page/n9/mode/2up |
| ↑14 | Eleanor Golden Warren may have been born in South Carolina, but it would not have been in the Edgefield County or District area. This area did not open for settlement until after 1763, with actual settlement allowed in 1767. Just east of Newberry, SC was the Dutch Fork area, which eventually expanded to include eastern Newberry. The earliest settler in this area was 1748; see Early Settlers in the Carolina Dutch Fork, 1744-1760, by Elmer B. Hallman, Wofford College |
| ↑15 | Children’s names and marriages as per various online genealogies and a 2004 genealogy written by Norma Kirchhofer: 6 GENERATIONS of WARREN, dated 21 Apr 2004; https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/warren/9155/. |
| ↑16 | 2004 genealogy written by Norma Kirchhofer: 6 GENERATIONS of WARREN, dated 21 Apr 2004; https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/warren/9155/. |