Eleanor Golden Warren, c1745-1811, Clouds Creek, Saluda, South Carolina
Revised Version … this is a revised version of the 2 Feb 2018 version crossposted to Ancestry.com … 2018 version taken down but exists within archive.
South Carolina – Newberry/Saluda/Edgefield – c1745-1811
Two important changes in this 2023 version re Eleanor Golden Warren‘s life.
- Confirmation that there were two Eleanor Goldens. Both knew each other [1]1802: There appear to have been two sons named ‘Charles’: Charles Warren and John Charles Warren, who went by Charles. Charles Warren wrote his last will and testament (LWT) prior to 28 … Continue reading and both went by the nickname of ‘Nelly’. Their relationship was probably that of sister-in-law to one another.
- Eleanor Golden Warren could not have died in 1809 as some genealogies claim. She was alive and living under her own name in the 1810 census as ‘Nelly Warren‘, living alongside a son and near to others in the community that had ties with the Golden family, the family of her probable brother William Golden (c1750-1808); he could also have been a close cousin. We know that Thomas Golden had two children in 1761 when granted land at Newberry; Eleanor Golden Warren is of the right age to have been one of those two children. [2]1810 Census taken on 6 Aug 1810. Nelly Warren was living at Edgefield (District), locale not listed. She was living next to Charles Warren, this being her probable son John Charles Warren … Continue reading
The Eleanor Golden Warren in both the 1800 and 1810 census reports are the same person when you compare neighbors. She lives by (John) Charles Warren in both 1800 [3]In the 1800 Census there are two families that live between Eleanor and John Warren: James Hunter and John (Gosling); whereas in 1810 she is listed next to (John) Charles Warren and 1810.
Source of most facts about Eleanor ‘Nelly’ Golden Warren
Several Ancestry.com family genealogies for William Warren reference his FindaGrave memorial page as the source for almost all known facts about Eleanor Warren [4]William Warren‘s FindaGrave memorial page contains a number of important but unsourced facts about Eleanor Golden Warren, her husband William Warren and her family. See FindaGrave memorial page … Continue reading.
Factual claims on FindaGrave about Eleanor Golden Warren:
- Claim: She passed away in 25 October 1809 while living on Clouds Creek. No known source for this. Some Ancestry genealogies claim it was 25 October 1811, which is plausible considering that she was alive in the 1810 census. [5]Eleanor Warren is living on her own with two children in her home in the 1800 Census for Edgefield District, South Carolina, no locale given. In her household is a male under age 10 and a male … Continue reading
- Claim: She married William Warren about 1762 in Amherst, Virginia. There were Warrens in the Amherst area but can find no record of this marriage, or a marriage between them in any Virginia record. Not per FindaGrave, but numerous genealogies claim the father of William Warren was James “Clouds Creek Preacher” Warren (c1713 VA – 1776 SC). James Warren received his land grant on 12 Apr 1770 for 200 acres at Clouds Creek, Colleton, SC, so chances are the Warrens were new arrivals and were living in Virginia in 1762. [6]Land grant of 200 acres to James Warren on 12 Apr 1770 per a land grant plat available from the South Carolina Archives Online. Search xxx for ‘Warren, James’; see: Warren, James, Plat … Continue reading Did James “Clouds Creek Preacher” Warren come from Amherst, Virginia? Maybe, maybe not. There was a James Warren listed as resident in Amherst in 1783. Age unknown. It is generally believed that there was a son named James Warren from the Amherst area, but no apparent documentation for that and the years born, lived and died are significantly different across the genealogies. There would appear to be multiple James Warrens in the west-of-Richmond area. All that said, a 1762 marriage in Virginia is possible just not documented.[7]1783 Virginia, U.S., Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index, 1800-1890
~~~ To confuse the matter, there were two James Warrens that received 1770 land grants in Colleton County, the term used instead of Edgefield or Ninety Six District. - Claim: She and William Warren divorced about 1798 and he then supposedly remarried to a Helena LNU by 1800. Can find no legal record for any divorce, but certainly Eleanor Golden Warren had established her own household by 1800 and appears in the 1800 census under her own name.
Questions and Missing Source Material
~~~ Missing source references does not mean something did not happen. Perhaps there is a family bible. Perhaps there are Warren family genealogy notes that were inherited. If so, we Goldens would like to know because any documentation about Eleanor Golden Warren offers details for our own origin story. [8]One of the puzzling aspects of the Warren family lore, I can find no presence of Golden or Goldings in the Albemarle, Amherst or Louisa county areas before 1800. There were Goldens in the Albemarle … Continue reading
Since the various online genealogies are inconsistent and contradictory then having some source reference is essential to making sense of there being two Eleanor Nellie Goldens living in the same locale, knowing each other and both being related to William Golden (one is a wife and the other a probable sister).
There are some other claims made in online genealogies which need clarification and documentation of some sort:
- Claim: Eleanor Golden Warren’s alleged father Anthony R. Golden, c1710-1760, born and passed away in the Greenville, South Carolina area. There is no evidence of his existence. Furthermore, this area of South Carolina was exclusive to habitation by the Cherokee with no nearby white settlement before 1770. The first acknowledged settler in the modern Greenville area was a Virginia trader named Richard Pearis. This area of South Carolina would not be settled until after the American Revolution, 1783, with land distribution beginning in 1786. [9]A concise but informative history of the Greenville area is available from the Greenville, SC government at <a … Continue reading … NOTE: There was a prominent Anthony Foster Golden (1746-1801), nee Golding, that lived upon occasion in the Spartanburg area although his home and plantation was outside of Laurens. These Goldings arrived about 1770 from Orange, Virginia, receiving a variety of land grants in 1771, 1772 and 1773.[10]Land Plats available online. Survey for land grant: 1/15/1773; Series: Colonial Plat Books (Copy Series) (S213184); Document Type: Plat Archives ID: Series: S213184 Volume: 0016 Page: 00130 Item: 01 … Continue reading
Golden Family of Beaverdam Creek, Newberry
Eleanor Ellender Golden (maiden name unknown, died after 1811) and William Golden (Goulden) lived just off Clouds Creek, with Beaverdam Creek on one side of their property. This area is in modern day Newberry County (Edgefield before 1895) near to the Saluda River and on the west side of Newberry.
Eleanor Golden Warren of Clouds Creek
BIRTH Claim from genealogies: 1745, Edgefield, Edgefield County, SC [11]Eleanor Golden Warren may have been in South Carolina, but it would not have been in the Edgefield County or District area. This area did not open for settlement until after 1763, with actual … Continue reading
DEATH Claim 25 OCT 1811, Clouds Creek, Edgefield County (Saluda County since 1895), SC. As discussed above, the 1811 date is a strong possibility, although no source for that information.
Depending upon the genealogy, claimed children of William Warren and Eleanor Golden:
- Benjamin John Warren 1768–1853
- Charles Warren, bef 1781-1802: left a last will and testament in 1802 naming Eleanor Warren as his mother and witnessed by Eleanor Golden, probable sister-in-law.
- Eleanor Warren 1769–1855
- John Warren, 1775-1837 … left a last will and testament
- John Charles Warren, 1777-1860
- Elizabeth Warren 1780–1841
- Joseph Warren 1785–1837
Virginia Roots, circa 1720
Some family histories list the parents of William Warren as:
James Warren, 1720–1798 Edgefield County, SC
Elizabeth Lewis or Patton, c1721–aft 1790 Edgefield County, SC
Another set of proposed parents:
Rev. James “Clouds Creek Preacher” Warren II (1712–1776)
Sarah Christian (1716–1793)
Both families are possibilities. Neither claims offer documentation.
The Lewis name is of great interest to myself as my family are indeed related to the Lewises. These Lewises and Warrens came from the Caroline County, Virginia area (Spotsylvania, Amherst, Albemarle). However, the Patton name is also of interest and a relation — with General George Patton being a descendant.
Per a William Warren family history, Clouds Creek was full of Warren family members.
— At least one Warren married a Dillard! Always a good sign that someone is related to us as us Goldens have had living Dillard kin over the last 300 years … William’s brother Benjamin Warren 1759-1813 married Sarah Sally Dillard 1767-1809.
Eleanor Warren and Eleanor Golden coexisted
Child of Thomas Golden (Goulden)? DNA …
Is Eleanor Golden Warren a child of Thomas Golden (Goulden)?
Documented: Thomas Golden settled in Newberry by 1760 on Bush Creek/River at the latest … just down the way from Clouds Creek. He is believed to be the father of William Golden (b c1750, believed to be husband to Nellie) and a Thomas Golden Jr. (175x-aft 1790, settling on property adjacent to William and Nellie).
+++ A Nellie Golden appears in the 1810 census for Edgefield, South Carolina. Although not named in the census, several of the Golden sons that later claim her as their mother: their direct male-line descendants took yDNA tests. yDNA indicates that these males are Goldens related to William and Thomas Golden, their probable father and grandfather.
Thomas Golden‘s geographic origins are believed to be the same as the Warren family and many other families associated with William Golden‘s per DNA: from the Caroline County, Virginia area and adjacent counties.
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References
| ↑1 | 1802: There appear to have been two sons named ‘Charles’: Charles Warren and John Charles Warren, who went by Charles. Charles Warren wrote his last will and testament (LWT) prior to 28 September 1802, after which he soon passed away. Charles’ LWT was witnessed by Elenor Golden, (wife of William Golden), William DeLoach, and (John) Charles Warren. Charle’s LWT recorded in Edgefield County Book #22, pg 252-253. He would soon pass away as his LWT was proven (received for administration) 21 Oct 1802 by Elenor Golden and and Russell Wilson. Charles makes his mother Elenor Warren his primary beneficiary and names her as Elenor Warren. |
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| ↑2 | 1810 Census taken on 6 Aug 1810. Nelly Warren was living at Edgefield (District), locale not listed. She was living next to Charles Warren, this being her probable son John Charles Warren (1775–1837). |
| ↑3 | In the 1800 Census there are two families that live between Eleanor and John Warren: James Hunter and John (Gosling); whereas in 1810 she is listed next to (John) Charles Warren |
| ↑4 | William Warren‘s FindaGrave memorial page contains a number of important but unsourced facts about Eleanor Golden Warren, her husband William Warren and her family. See FindaGrave memorial page at <a href=”https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/210682252/william-warren” target=”_blank”>https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/210682252/william-warren</a> |
| ↑5 | Eleanor Warren is living on her own with two children in her home in the 1800 Census for Edgefield District, South Carolina, no locale given. In her household is a male under age 10 and a male between age 11-15. The male age 10-15 could be Joseph Warren 1785–1837, but no idea as to the identity of a son age under 10 or close to that — however, this young male appears again in the 1810 Census as being aged 11-15 so would have been born c1790-1799, appropriate to be the younger male in the 1800 Census. |
| ↑6 | Land grant of 200 acres to James Warren on 12 Apr 1770 per a land grant plat available from the South Carolina Archives Online. Search xxx for ‘Warren, James’; see: Warren, James, Plat For 200 Acres In Colleton County. Date: 4/12/1770; Clouds Creek; Colleton County; Series: Colonial Plat Books Archives ID: Series: S213184 Volume: 0021 Page: 00331 Item: 02 |
| ↑7 | 1783 Virginia, U.S., Compiled Census and Census Substitutes Index, 1800-1890 |
| ↑8 | One of the puzzling aspects of the Warren family lore, I can find no presence of Golden or Goldings in the Albemarle, Amherst or Louisa county areas before 1800. There were Goldens in the Albemarle region by 1830. An alternative story or perspective, is that the Warrens came from Charles City, Virginia area (c1713) and Albemarle County could be mistaken for Albemarle Parish, created in Surry County, Virginia in 1738 from those parts of Lawne’s Creek and Southwark parishes that lay southwest of Blackwater River. |
| ↑9 | A concise but informative history of the Greenville area is available from the Greenville, SC government at <a href=”https://greenvillesc.gov/DocumentCenter/View/1317/History-of-Greenville-PDF” target=”_blank”> https://greenvillesc.gov/DocumentCenter/View/1317/History-of-Greenville-PDF</a> |
| ↑10 | Land Plats available online. Survey for land grant: 1/15/1773; Series: Colonial Plat Books (Copy Series) (S213184); Document Type: Plat Archives ID: Series: S213184 Volume: 0016 Page: 00130 Item: 01 See and search https://www.archivesindex.sc.gov/ for ‘Golding, William‘ … ‘Golding, Anthony‘ … ‘Golding, R‘ and ‘Golding, Richard‘ . |
| ↑11 | Eleanor Golden Warren may have been in South Carolina, but it would not have been in the Edgefield County or District area. This area did not open for settlement until after 1763, with actual settlement allowed in 1767. Just east of Newberry, SC was the Dutch Fork area, which eventually expanded to include eastern Newberry. The earliest settler in this area was 1748; see Early Settlers in the Carolina Dutch Fork, 1744-1760, by Elmer B. Hallman, Wofford College |